To: david.schultz@noaa.gov Subject: Mar 9 Dave, First of all, thanks for putting some info on the web for this situation. ...click...click... However, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Take the Blacksburg discussion....a question....where are they talking about enhanced precipiation rates??? It doesn't say in the clip of text you have shown. Since Blacksburg usually writes about the weather occurring in there CWA (their own backyard or an upstream backyard), unless you show me that they were talking specifically about the DC area, then they must have been talking about their area. To my knowledge they barely had any snow in their CWA on this date. So...before giving kudos to Blacksburg, you better tell folks where they think this enhanced precip was going to occur. 2nd... With the 80 km resolution of data from the Eta model on AWIPS (as well as the RUC)...it is VERY difficult to precisely pinpoint these mesoscale features...even though the model has a higher resolution (29km - Eta, 40 km RUC-2). Through the use of PCGRIDDs, I've attempted to compare the 00Z/09th Eta model runs at both 80 and 40 km resolution and have found that there was little in the way of PSI showing for the DC area. I did manage to get my hands on the 09/00Z Eta run in GEMPAK on an 80 km res... and could actually compute CSI (using the saturated theta-E)...and the results were equally disappointing...no clear PSI signal over DC. So when you discuss our forecast snippet saying we don't see CSI...we DON'T see it in the model data we were looking at in real time. (The RUC-2 data come in at 60 km res on GARP and PCGRIDDs...and there were NO RUC-2 fields available to us until 09Z/09th from Eastern Region!). 3rd...In what I consider a truly amazing forecast, the 18Z Eta run (available to us on the 40km res in both GEMPAK and PCGRIDDs (and AWIPS)) showed a remarkeable band of negative EPV (associated with PSI) extending from 700 to 500 mb in the precise orientation that the heavy snow fell! Had the forecasters here at Sterling not been BURNED all winter long by lousy (and I truly mean lousy) Eta model forecasts, they would have issued a winter storm watch on the spot...but they mention snow totals of 2-4 inches and a start time of the snow closer to the actual time (of course the midnight shift came in and cut back the snow amount and timings...dooahhh!). Regardless, the 18Z/08th Eta run did something right...and had liquid water equivs of nearly 0.9" over the DC/IAD area. 4th...The Sterling WFO the week of Mar 7-10 was undergoing intensive AWIPS OUT training. On the morning of Mar 9...I strode into the door at 7AM...and immediately began updating both forecasts and calling all EOC managers in the DC area telling them that snow was here...at 7AM (not noon) and that totals would be more than 4 inches. The wheels of government though move slowly...and we were only able to get OPM's attention by 1030 AM...in fact...all of their top staff where in training at a secluded DC location. Well...it was me from 7-8AM and in that time...our AFOS system failed... and I spent the better part of that hour trying to get it up and running so that I could send out products telling folks more snow was on the way...Then at 8AM the day shift public guy comes in...it was the MIC who was filling in for folks who were in AWIPS training....then at 11AM the MIC left and a new person came in on the public desk and avaition desks!!! Where's the continuity? And besides, we had just gotten AWIPS in our office the week before...nobody was very seasoned in using it to diagnosis the weather...we're still learning! 5th...I'd be willing to shell out some BIG BUCKs that no one-you, me, Doswell, you pick em...could have caught this event as it was about to unfold. And, if you think you could...then I bet that you'd also be going out with ALOT of false winter storm watches/warnings if you believe the model forecasts this past winter (and there were alot of busts...more than I can remember...when a warning would go out...and it wouldn't even snow!) 6th...traffic in DC and Nrn VA that day was a nightmare. It was not funny. Three people died in weather-related traffic accidents. By the time we got the word out to the road crews, that were paralyzed by a gridlock of stalled traffic ...people had been stuck in traffic for hours and many simply either ran out of gas idling...or just abandoned their cars in the middle of the road! I do not want to see this situation happen again, trust me. However, the area affected by the heaviest snow was only about 15-20 km wide. Now explain to me how a model having a grid resolution of 40 km is going to capture that scale of feature? It won't. Bottom line... This is an excellent case that needs to be pursued. I have much of the GEMPAK model data along with PCGRIDDs files. I have all of the surface, upper air, buoy data. I have NO satellite data. I'm in the severe weather mode now and am afraid that I won't see this case for another month. So...we need to examine this case as in-depth as possible. Rich Grumm (the SOO at State College) and one of his forecasters (Dave Nicosia) and I are planning to write up this case for a future publiciation. I wouldn't mind to have some others involved in the research. Know of anyone who might be interested?? Well...got to go. Sorry to hear about the terrible tornadoes down there. I know what it's like to live through a monster F5. I was just outside of Xenia, OH back in April 1974 and survived. That's another story. Take care. Steve Z.